ok heres how i see it theres too maney flaws in the bible i do beleave theres some sort of higher being out there its just if in Christian perspective u can just beleave in god ect then u go to heaven but if u are a perfect being up to your death then u sin u go to hell i mean thats ****ed up i also beleave jesus wasnt born on 12/25 cause in the bible it say there were ppl farming this makes me think that god may be real but the bibles been messed with so much that u dont kno wut it realy said who knos maybe god used the Evolution to make the world i think that thats wut happined gods real and he used Evolution to make the world but no one will ever realy kno unless we can some way look into the past but how we gonna do that
hmm that is actully wut i beleave.... why it say inactive
Resisting...resisting...fails.
Shibby-
"just because someone says they don't 'believe' in god doesnt necessarily mean they deny gods existance"
That doesn't make sense. Just say I don't believe in the moon, ok? Does that mean I still think it exists? No.
UNLESS! You are talking about something like, 'Not believing in gay marrige.' Of course it is there and you don't beleive in it, but that is something COMPLETELY different and a different kind of believing.
"You cant actually see and touch and taste 'god' can you?"
I didn't create God. I was asking for something you could create out of nothing.
And I would appreciate if everyone would stop avoiding my question-
Would you please create something out of nothing?
Once you do, PM me or something and then I will start to consider that there is no God.
[Edited by darkish_raven, 10/23/2006 6:54:31 AM]
I can create thoughts out of nothing.
Besides, if God created the Universe, who created God?
Could you answer that one please?
ES-
I really wish you read read my posts so i wouldn't have to repeat myself. This is what I said:
"Everything in the logic of human understanding has a creator."
God is past out logic, we cannot understand how or why He exists.
"Give me something you can see, feel, taste and/or touch, I'll settle for something simple. Not what you said, give me a break. Anyone can blow some air and say they 'created' something."
And plus, you did not create your thoughts out of nothing, your brain is already there, has already been created by some atoms that popped out of now where billions of years ago, or from some higher power, a.k.a-God. So nice try there.
I'm still waiting, if humans can create something out of nothing, something that another human can feel, see, taste or touch, I will be convinced that there is no God. Obviously this is impossible for another human to do, which is why God is true.
I'm not talking about air, or thoughts because those are created from your brain and lungs.
I want you to raise your two hands and pop out a rock out of nothing. Once you do that, get back to me.
[Edited by darkish_raven, 10/23/2006 8:39:08 AM]
Fundamentally flawed.
You believe in something that is beyond your conception, yet you choose it over a logical explanation that has been researched for thousands of years.
Also you cannot explain thoughts, how do you know that the brain creates them? As you say it is beyong your conception, does that mean my brain is a sort of demi-God?
Why do you insist that anything was created out of nothing by God? The Universe is similarly beyond conception, like God, yet you seem to want to link the two together. Why do you back up one impossible question with an impossible answer? You can't prove something that no proof exists for with something that you can't prove yourself. I could just as well say that I was God because I found this 3000 year old book that said that Humans created the Earth and then lost their Godly powers. At least try to realise that what Christians call God does not make complete sense, that what Christians concieve to be a God may really be something completely different. If you are failiar with Plato's allegory of the Cave you may see what I mean. If you don't you might want to look it up.
Also air is not created by your lungs.
And why do you insist on an ex nihilo God? God isn't even realistically portrayed as a creator God in the Bible, because in Genesis the Earth is "shapeles and God is hovering over the waters". Wouldn't that mean that he formed the Earth instead of creating it?
[Edited by Moderator EternalSlayer, 10/23/2006 8:55:38 AM]
ES-
"What I mean is that I don't believe in God as it stands but that I'm ready to be convinced."
I highly doubt that...what do I have to do to convince you?
Oh well, I just want to comment on something I forgot about-
"Have you ever met Christ? How do you know he wasn't corrupt? History is written by the victors, anything could have been written by any loony in the Bible and people would believe it."
Common sense, if Christ was corrupt, His teachings would be corrupt. If His teachings were corrupt, then morallity would be corrupt. All of Christ's teachings were of moral behavior and through history it is obvious that morality is NOT corrupt. To argue such a thing is a perversion. Therefore common sense, logic, tells us Christ was not corrupt. Any scientic or historical study will arrive at the same conclusion. One does not need to meet Christ in person in order to conclude these simple facts.
Shibby-
I'm still waiting on what miracles prove in your view. If they don't prove God, what do they prove?
As it stands, I am done debating...unless something really...well you know.
Here it comes...
God can't be disproved, but I defy you to give me concrete evidence proving him. Or it, or whatever.
"Common sense, if Christ was corrupt, His teachings would be corrupt. If His teachings were corrupt, then morallity would be corrupt. All of Christ's teachings were of moral behavior and through history it is obvious that morality is NOT corrupt. To argue such a thing is a perversion. Therefore common sense, logic, tells us Christ was not corrupt. Any scientic or historical study will arrive at the same conclusion. One does not need to meet Christ in person in order to conclude these simple facts." - Darkish_Raven
First of all, most of us here don't believe in God, so corrupt or not, it doesnt really matter to us. Second, we have no idea if Chrits teachings weren;t just fabricatred. The entire bible could be an elaborate, 10,000 year old prank. The guy who did it is probably laughing his ass off in his grave. Third, You seem to be combining viewpoints, and I have studies this topic. You cant combine points and come out with a respective answer.
Heres somethign for you to thing about
If I exist, I was created by evolution
If I was created by evolution, God Doesn't exist
Therefore, If I exist, God doesn't exist
Thats called a logical syllogism. I know it doesnt prove anything, but It makes the point that you can;t combine opposite points and come out with a representative example or answer.
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