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    wozjtf posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:01:46 AM - Report post
     
    Sorry messed this post up.

    [Edited by wozjtf, 11/17/2021 3:02:48 AM]
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    wozjtf posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:03:06 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by math341c

    And I agree with PWIZARD with the "abuse". The only proper way to protect software today is with online "authentication". This is how all games are protected today, except GOG games, and what? GOG games get shared in all places for pirates. I don't understand how GOG works, what the agreements are.

    This is 2021, forget about offline authentication, like on games in 2000-2005 that had CD protection. Where you had an offline key.

    [Edited by math341c, 11/15/2021 10:43:23 AM]

    But despite games being protected online they can still be pirated so it inst full proof. Even Steam games can get pirated. No game is immune to piracy online or offline

    [Edited by wozjtf, 11/17/2021 3:19:05 AM]

    [Edited by wozjtf, 11/17/2021 3:20:32 AM]

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    wozjtf posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:10:38 AM - Report post
     
    I just discovered the comprise i was going to suggest wouldn't work. So i had to re edit my post. Sorry mods.

    [Edited by wozjtf, 11/17/2021 3:22:04 AM]
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    wozjtf posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:16:50 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
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    originally posted by machine4578

    i have to agree with Xperiahole. and @PWizard i agree that your statement "We still retain the right to make whatever changes we see fit to any membership level." is true. but to make such a drastic change to existing PAID customers, even customers like myself that been a LIFETIME member for 10yrs. what else can it be but a downgrade? i can no longer use the trainers offline unless i fork up more $$. that isnt the LIFETIME membership i and other paid for.

    It's not so drastic at it seems. We're no longer in 2000s where lack of internet is a common thing. Everything wants internet access nowadays. You cannot even start Denuvo games if you have been offline for too long. You cannot start Rockstar games or most others. If offline is so important, it costs you only $10. That's actually 4x cheaper than a coffee in Rome (Italy).

    Now regarding the lifetime argument. If there are technically reasons that forces changes then we have to make them. And after so many years where your lifetime features have been respected, I don't understand why its such an emotional and huge discussion when we still want to offer the feature (unlike our competitors btw) but having to charge a one time fee of $10 only.

    AIO is a client where the trainer is streamed. It NEEDS internet to work unless we allow everyone to dump all our trainers on their hard drive. Which we obviously cannot allow. The offline mode we are planning is a compromise and its more limited than the current. While this seems like a downgrade. You actually got a LOT of free upgrades meanwhile. RGB, Mobile app, Ingame overlay. Those were not part of your lifetime, but you received them for free. We were doing this because we respect your lifetime membership. And we still do by offering a limited offline mode, instead of removing it completely. Comparing what you got as a free upgrade and what you will get as a free upgrade in the future, this downgrade is acceptable. And the reason behind it doesn't allow any other solution. If none of these words can change your mind then it's okay if you say you don't like it but it is as it is we cannot change it.

    +1 Exactly

    I don't understand why people complain about offline keys. Why do they not complain about games not being able to played offline.....

    And even if you force yourself offline, the important features are gone. Playing games offline today really limits the features.

    CH wants to protect themselves with online authentication, as PWIZARD said: People are abusing, stealing trainers, and sharing them everywhere, I think that is their main concern.

    Most games can be played offline and people do complain about games that cant be offline or they don't buy it. Remember the backlash EA got over Sim City 2013 where it had to be played online and because of that the franchise was destroyed even though EA then made a patch to play offline.

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    wozjtf posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:18:32 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
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    quote:
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    I was a Lifetime PLUS subscriber but not now. Am I eligible for the "1 MILLION for Lifetime PLUS subscribers"?

    No, you must be an active Lifetime PLUS subscriber in order to receive the double rewards.

    I am an active Lifetime PLUS subscriber now, Do I receive the double rewards?

    Once you have received the survey and have fill it out.

    [Edited by wozjtf, 11/17/2021 3:31:15 AM]

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    PWizard posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:36:39 AM - Report post
     
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    0x90 posted on Nov 17, 2021 3:50:59 AM - Report post
     
    @wozjtf: We are aware of the fact that we are not immune to piracy. Even as of now our trainers can be cracked and shared if people are willing and talented enough. But that doesn't mean we have to make it easy. See Denuvo as a great example of how piracy can be greatly reduced. Games with Denuvo are still getting cracked but clearly not in the mass as of games without Denuvo and it takes much afford to crack them. The afford is so high that many popular cracking groups are simply ignoring these games nowadays. Making it difficult enough is the key.

    We're running a legit business and most if not all of us are working fulltime. We are paying rents and we have families. Just like everyone on earth, we don't want to wake up at some day and see all our income is gone. We wouldn't be able to pay bills anymore, we would probably lose our family / house / apartment etc. It should be understandable that we are taken actions against any (chance) of piracy. We already did in the past, we will do in the future. This is the only time where it actually impacts some customers but as said before we have no choice. In fact we could reduce the chance of piracy even more if we wouldn't allow any kind of offline mode at all. But as a respect to our paying customers we want this offline mode. Please keep this in mind.
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    Diedel posted on Nov 17, 2021 4:00:16 AM - Report post
     
    I am generally not a fan of forced online only things, where the game/application itself is not an actual online game. I can understand why companies do it, though for games that is usually greed. Often it seem to only be to restrict the player in ways to make them pay more in the end to make the game bearable, like the UBI grind. But i can understand the security aspect and understand why CH is nearly forced to use it to avoid massive exploits of the app. I just added the offline keys to my pledge, should i ever need them. I don't really see me playing anything that would require a trainer on vacation, as i usually don't even have a laptop with me to begin with. I can understand why some might not like it, especially as mobile roaming prices can be really excessive and you might not have cheap/free wifi everywhere, but i am not seeing any alternative for CH.
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