i have to agree with Xperiahole. and @PWizard i agree that your statement "We still retain the right to make whatever changes we see fit to any membership level." is true. but to make such a drastic change to existing PAID customers, even customers like myself that been a LIFETIME member for 10yrs. what else can it be but a downgrade? i can no longer use the trainers offline unless i fork up more $$. that isnt the LIFETIME membership i and other paid for.
We didn't have to make offline keys available AT ALL, which was our initial plan. Keeping security in mind, we made the decision that we did. If you don't think you have gotten your money's worth of your Lifetime membership since you purchased it in 2012 and have downloaded 4,272 trainers, I am happy to refund your $29.95 or however much it costs back then and you are welcome to go to another site that offers offline keys, however you will find only one and they release 10 trainers a month and typically only update their trainers for about a month before abandoning them.
@PWizard, omg its NOT all about the money its darn the principal i was trying to make. and why cant ask a simple question without being demeaned.?? also how come you cant give a 1x offer of 10-20 offline keys for those of us that been LIFETIME members as a comprimise??
and btw just because i download trainers i paid for, its NO ONE elses buisness! so WTF why posting personal info?? . its ashame that you treat long time customers this way. thanks. 🙁
You complained and I rebutted. End of story.
i have to agree with Xperiahole. and @PWizard i agree that your statement "We still retain the right to make whatever changes we see fit to any membership level." is true. but to make such a drastic change to existing PAID customers, even customers like myself that been a LIFETIME member for 10yrs. what else can it be but a downgrade? i can no longer use the trainers offline unless i fork up more $$. that isnt the LIFETIME membership i and other paid for.
It's not so drastic at it seems. We're no longer in 2000s where lack of internet is a common thing. Everything wants internet access nowadays. You cannot even start Denuvo games if you have been offline for too long. You cannot start Rockstar games or most others. If offline is so important, it costs you only $10. That's actually 4x cheaper than a coffee in Rome (Italy).
Now regarding the lifetime argument. If there are technically reasons that forces changes then we have to make them. And after so many years where your lifetime features have been respected, I don't understand why its such an emotional and huge discussion when we still want to offer the feature (unlike our competitors btw) but having to charge a one time fee of $10 only.
AIO is a client where the trainer is streamed. It NEEDS internet to work unless we allow everyone to dump all our trainers on their hard drive. Which we obviously cannot allow. The offline mode we are planning is a compromise and its more limited than the current. While this seems like a downgrade. You actually got a LOT of free upgrades meanwhile. RGB, Mobile app, Ingame overlay. Those were not part of your lifetime, but you received them for free. We were doing this because we respect your lifetime membership. And we still do by offering a limited offline mode, instead of removing it completely. Comparing what you got as a free upgrade and what you will get as a free upgrade in the future, this downgrade is acceptable. And the reason behind it doesn't allow any other solution. If none of these words can change your mind then it's okay if you say you don't like it but it is as it is we cannot change it.
i have to agree with Xperiahole. and @PWizard i agree that your statement "We still retain the right to make whatever changes we see fit to any membership level." is true. but to make such a drastic change to existing PAID customers, even customers like myself that been a LIFETIME member for 10yrs. what else can it be but a downgrade? i can no longer use the trainers offline unless i fork up more $$. that isnt the LIFETIME membership i and other paid for.
It's not so drastic at it seems. We're no longer in 2000s where lack of internet is a common thing. Everything wants internet access nowadays. You cannot even start Denuvo games if you have been offline for too long. You cannot start Rockstar games or most others. If offline is so important, it costs you only $10. That's actually 4x cheaper than a coffee in Rome (Italy).
Now regarding the lifetime argument. If there are technically reasons that forces changes then we have to make them. And after so many years where your lifetime features have been respected, I don't understand why its such an emotional and huge discussion when we still want to offer the feature (unlike our competitors btw) but having to charge a one time fee of $10 only.
AIO is a client where the trainer is streamed. It NEEDS internet to work unless we allow everyone to dump all our trainers on their hard drive. Which we obviously cannot allow. The offline mode we are planning is a compromise and its more limited than the current. While this seems like a downgrade. You actually got a LOT of free upgrades meanwhile. RGB, Mobile app, Ingame overlay. Those were not part of your lifetime, but you received them for free. We were doing this because we respect your lifetime membership. And we still do by offering a limited offline mode, instead of removing it completely. Comparing what you got as a free upgrade and what you will get as a free upgrade in the future, this downgrade is acceptable. And the reason behind it doesn't allow any other solution. If none of these words can change your mind then it's okay if you say you don't like it but it is as it is we cannot change it.
+1 Exactly
I don't understand why people complain about offline keys. Why do they not complain about games not being able to played offline.....
And even if you force yourself offline, the important features are gone. Playing games offline today really limits the features.
CH wants to protect themselves with online authentication, as PWIZARD said: People are abusing, stealing trainers, and sharing them everywhere, I think that is their main concern.
Three questions:
Will the AIO offline keys be tied to the hardware (machine/CPU ID etc.) or tied to the Windows installation?
Can I purchase the $10 offline keys package in the future (after the kickstarter campaign is over)? I don't have $10 right now to spend on that.
Since you said "streamed", does that mean that the trainer will stop working mid-game if my internet is suddenly disconnected while playing for whatever reason?
[Edited by Xperiahole, 11/16/2021 7:36:50 AM]
by streamed it means trainer is downloaded temporarily for the time you're using, if you were to lose internet and they don't make that an offline key requirement, you'd still have the trainer till you stop using it
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