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we are looking at it. the trainer works. i Can't help (at the moment) that fatshark decided to make your offline with bots experience be like this with an anticheat.

it's an ANTI CHEAT.. and you are using a CHEAT in the game. they apparently don't want you to be able to earn any loot or items or xp, even when playing alone, if you are CHEATING.

It took about 3 weeks to get the trainer to work without detection last time. I have no idea how long it will take to make this work again, and if we DO get it working (since we are literally the only trainer for this game), how long it will take the dedicated staff at EAC (who are likely reading every word I am writing right now) to defeat it again.

The simple solution to this stupid escalation back and forth of 'cheaters using cheats on their own computer with their own private bots and etc' is to just make the game have a mode to be able to be played offline and alone without EAC so people can play it like they want to.

This game is a grind, even with cheats, to try and earn the real loot stuff.

Last time they lost thousands of game subscribers and people refunded their game when they couldn't use mods and cheats to play. It's actually something a LOT of people want to be able to do.

Unfortunately due the number of idiots who went online with this or were very public about it, the developers or EAC decided to look into it further and find a way to detect the trainer again, EVEN IN OFFLINE PRIVATE GAMES WHERE YOU ARE USING BOTS.

AT one point, the trainer literally worked AND you couldn't play with others BUT you could get loot at the end if you played with bots. It was a perfect solution. EAC or Fatshark would have NONE of it.. they still had to come after our trainer.

So, again, our trainer works as intended. The options work like they always did. The problem, again, is that fatshark has tied their server routine when you get XP and loot into checks for or with EAC server calls, which if they reject the calls then the routines that give you loot are never called. The EAC server stuff is not even necessary, as we have proven that we can force the game to run without EAC ever even running at all. But they hardcoded checks into the game .exe and (packed and encrypted) scripts of the game itself to check for this, and then pop up the screen.

You think we like to have to deal with anticheat software for 99% of the time involved in a game title? It's not what we are here for at cheathappens.

This game, whether people like it or not, is an online multiplayer focused game. There IS a mode where you can play offline with bots, but unfortunately you cannot TRULY play offline at all. We have had a working trainer for that mode since the game was in beta. They ADDED this EAC stuff, and then ADDED more and more things to it to lock you into an experience where you cannot do anything with the game, even alone with bots, on your own computer that you like, using all manner of malware-like, kernel manipulating, os hijacking, viral like code. One day they will regret all this as some enterprising young malcontent (not me!) finds a way to use all this stuff to mess around with people's computers and do malicious things with it. We are playing GAMES for christ sakes.. this is stuff you would use to lock down a bank computer or something like that, not a single player mode of a video game.

There's nothing we can do immediately at the moment, or do overnight to remedy this, and we have 10000 other titles to work on. I put in at least 12 hours a day, every day, for this site. IN some cases, as in recently with State of Decay 2, I work literally longer than 24 hours, staying up all night to release a trainer for the big games. Now THERE is a game that has ability to play with other people, but they have a true offline mode, and you can mod it and play with a trainer to your heart's content, and enjoy the game how YOU want to. They don't tie your experience and etc. to a server or to anticheat software.

At any rate, for now the trainer works as intended and, yes, the anticheat in place that fatshark has added has been updated for the 100th time to detect our trainer and then in a jerkish fashion, rather than making you close the game immediately, it puts you into an untrusted state in the background and then lets you know you been detected only after you have run an entire map with bots by yourself or are trying to open loot and etc.

Best,
Cal



[Edited by moderator PWizard, 5/19/2018 7:43:36 AM]

Imagine you pay for a car, then the car manufacturer has put something in YOUR CAR that limits how fast and where you can drive it, or is built in such a way that if you want to add new rims or use the car as a racecar, or 100 other things you want to do with YOUR CAR that YOU PAID FOR IN YOUR OWN YARD or YOUR OWN ROAD, well it prevents you from doing that..

Now, imagine that not only does this car not allow you to do anything with it, it's hijacking your house and your garage via hidden software in it, doing all manner of things to stuff not even related to your car..

Are you getting the picture here about what EAC is?

best,
Cal

[Edited by Caliber, 5/19/2018 5:47:49 AM]

Thank you very much for your time, Caliber. You, guys, are the best. I just complained to FatShark because they are installing software in my computer that affects to my security and stability of the system. Thanks again, man. Stay strong¡¡¡.

It is very unfortunate, I subscribed to you few days go just because of this game. But I appreciate what you did, you certainly made the game more fun for me and many others as well I'm sure. It puzzles me that game such is this with no leaderboards nor competitive mode has so strict policy against cheating. Players should be able to customize their game experience to their liking, it's not like having an easier way to loot and experience is hurting other players, but on the other hand, their game their rules, no matter our opinions. Keep up the good.

[Edited by kalevout, 5/19/2018 11:11:33 AM]

Thank you, Caliber for putting an extra time to explain the situation to us. and thanks to everyone who worked on the trainer and made it possible to fully work until 1.0.8.1.
I think that many people here will understand if you guys take a break from this trainer for a while. At least until Fatshark release the big update which includes mod support. Maybe at that point they will stop fighting this trainer, or forget about it or whatever. maybe. either way, I think that if you guys find a way to make the loot and xp attainable again with the trainer. EAC will just update their security soon after and many hours of work will be wiped off again. Since they seem to be keeping tracks of what's going on with the trainer.
I'm not an expert at all, but the way I see it, you should hold on any updates you're planning to implement on the trainer and watch what's going on with the game and EAC until you see a perfect/better opportunity for the trainer updates.

Hey Cal

First of all, there is no need to get upset, its nothing personal against you or anyone else from the "staff".
The analogy was mentioned in a serious and professional way, and is by no means directed at you personally or blaming you for it not working.

As the rest of the players here mentioned, i payed a lifetime sub just for the trainer, and its a bummber, but meh, **** happens. Just make sure the "Lifetime" subscription requirement is removed from this trainer download info, as there is no way to refund a lifetime sub, even if a player made a mistake subing for this particular trainer.

Thx for the time and effort ytou put into the trainer, and lets hope FatShark understands the supidity, time and effort they are putting in on anti cheat functions for a game that doesent have any competitive gaming elements.

Best,
spax

The trainer works fine, it's EAC that is causing the issue with the end of mission crash. So, we will continue listing the trainer under lifetime status for those that wish to utilize it. Perhaps there is a 3rd party EAC bypass out there that it could be used with. For now, the title is placed ON HOLD while we try and figure out what new protections EAC added to the game when played with bots and ultimately will be updated again to not crash at the end or retired. My advice would be to contact Fatshark and ask them to remove the EAC check when playing with bots which they did a couple of versions ago or get a refund of the game that you are not allowed to play as you wish which causes no harm to any other player.

I have played this game since beta day 1. And I have been supporting cheathappens since 2011. The dedication of this website is absolutely rare. I cannot sing enough praises for the stall here and what they do for us. Just look at how many posts are under this title. And yet they are still trying. For my fellow community members, I know that none of us are happy about the situation here, but the cause of this is the unreasonable fatshark developers. If we want to get something done, we need to take it to the fatshark, not complaining to the help. At last, I solute to cheathappens, hold hands with our fellow community members, and give the middle finger to fatshark.