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  Am I gonna get banned for using trainer?
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    PeTTs0n posted on Jul 29, 2010 7:40:14 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by yoops

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    1. Grant of a Limited License to Use the Service.
    Subject to your agreement to and continuing compliance with the Terms of Use agreement, you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with a web browser or an authorized, unmodified Game client. You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or using any other method.




    2. Additional License Limitations.
    The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the "License Limitations". Any use of the Service or any Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard's copyrights in and to the Service and/or Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:


    A. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;

    - Note, a trainer is an unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the game. Also note, ANY GAME EXPERIENCE, this means singleplayer or multiplayer.

    What you are referring to neurocryptal is under 2D which does not exclude 2A but both are under Section 2 of Bnet's Terms of Agreement.

    D. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through any Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by any Game or the Service to store information about a character or a Game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;

    Hope this clears this up completely, a trainer is a third-party software that modifies your client which is not allowed under Section 2, singleplayer or otherwise.

    [Edited by yoops, 7/29/2010 4:33:06 AM]

    While you are correct in stating that any software altering the game's memory addresses is prohibited, it does NOT say whether Blizzard is enforcing said rule, or how they are enforcing it.

    Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. The only real thing to actually settle this is an official response.

    [Edited by PeTTs0n, 7/29/2010 7:40:38 AM]

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    JamieK posted on Jul 29, 2010 11:35:55 AM - Report post
     
    I really do not see why Blizzard would enforce this rule with singleplayer cheating, i am assuming that they will severely enforce it when multiplayer is concerned.

    When it comes to single player, if they did enforce it would be like they are taking away our freewill to cheat, cheating in single player only affects the one cheating and no one else, no company in their right mind would penalize us.
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    Neo7 posted on Jul 29, 2010 12:11:35 PM - Report post
     
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    I really do not see why Blizzard would enforce this rule with singleplayer cheating, i am assuming that they will severely enforce it when multiplayer is concerned.

    When it comes to single player, if they did enforce it would be like they are taking away our freewill to cheat, cheating in single player only affects the one cheating and no one else, no company in their right mind would penalize us.

    Do some research about Blizzard Entertainment vs KeSPA and you'll see how scary they are in terms of controlling their game (and it's is over the previous game "Brood War" which is now 11 years old).

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    Ashar posted on Jul 29, 2010 12:22:48 PM - Report post
     
    most games have the rule, but that would mean that any form of mods or trainer would get you banned, and im pretty sure NOONE has ever been banned for using mods or trainers in games, only when these tools are used to create an unfair advantage, or harm other players abilites during multiplayer does anyone take action.
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    Netsonar posted on Jul 29, 2010 2:00:28 PM - Report post
     


    Just my two cents but why would anybody bother to play a game by a company that is so draconian in laying down the law that they immediately worry about being banned? Case in point I got my account stripped of almost everything in WOW about 6mos for buying an item (in game) that was stolen from another account. Now there was no way I could have known that the item was stolen and Jesus I got in on the AH so that much worse truth is I probably could have gotten everything back if I spoke with a more reasonable customer service person however after that incident I swore to never play anything that has a single thing to do with blizzard.net or wow. As a result I deleted my WOW account (epic player with epic gear) which in turn pretty much nerfed my guild so they lost another 15-20 players.
    Now fast forward 6 mos and the first thing people are worried about are getting banned by blizzard.net so I guess you guys prove my point. Skip this game and wait for something else to play if we all do this Blizzard will be forced to be more reasonable.

    For the record I would not put it past blizzard.net to BAN somebody for using a single player trainer as they are draconian in their policy and have banned people on suspicion alone without any proof in the past!
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    Rise_Against posted on Jul 29, 2010 2:18:48 PM - Report post
     
    I'm pretty sure if nobody has been banned by now, then they won't be banned for using it in singleplayer.
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    DABhand posted on Jul 29, 2010 2:34:48 PM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by yoops

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    OK guys, one of my friends just tried the trainer for MP, for those of you hoping Blizz wouldn't care, it seems in SP they know about it and don't care, but when he tried MP (all 6 matches) with in the first few minutes of the game it dropped him as a player and everyone on his team. now it does not seem that any disciplinary action was taken against his account, (ill ask him tomorrow and post again) it just kicked him from the match. again this is perfect! the trainer works for single player (what its meant for) and if you forget to turn it off and join MP (or you are a **** that wants to make other players lives a living hell), Blizz will politely remind you with a boot from the match.

    That's not evidence, Blizzard would not have implemented coding for CH's specific trainer to "politely kick" a user from a MP game. There could be multiple reasons as to why he was kicked from the game, but most likely his edited game did not match up with the other players in the server therefore the users were disconnected from the server.

    it seems in SP they know about it and don't care
    Care to elaborate by providing an official blue statement by Blizzard on this assertion? If not, stop spouting lies and getting new users potentially banned.

    Blizzard will definitely ban your friend for being stupid and using it in mp in the first ban wave, you can count on that. Their EULA mentions nothing of a "warning" for use of 3rd party cheats but a swift ban on that users account.

    Thats now how Warden works, it checks for on the fly address changes to the game coding, if it detects any it will boot the user.

    Doesnt matter if a trainer is from CH or somewhere else they all do the same thing at one point, code injection.

    So if someone uses options in MP it will boot them eventually, and the more times they are booted the greater their chance of being banned.

    [Edited by DABhand, 7/29/2010 2:36:43 PM]

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    Cobb posted on Jul 29, 2010 2:36:17 PM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by PeTTs0n

    quote:
    originally posted by yoops

    us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html



    1. Grant of a Limited License to Use the Service.
    Subject to your agreement to and continuing compliance with the Terms of Use agreement, you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with a web browser or an authorized, unmodified Game client. You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or using any other method.




    2. Additional License Limitations.
    The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the "License Limitations". Any use of the Service or any Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard's copyrights in and to the Service and/or Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:


    A. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;

    - Note, a trainer is an unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the game. Also note, ANY GAME EXPERIENCE, this means singleplayer or multiplayer.

    What you are referring to neurocryptal is under 2D which does not exclude 2A but both are under Section 2 of Bnet's Terms of Agreement.

    D. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through any Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by any Game or the Service to store information about a character or a Game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;

    Hope this clears this up completely, a trainer is a third-party software that modifies your client which is not allowed under Section 2, singleplayer or otherwise.

    [Edited by yoops, 7/29/2010 4:33:06 AM]

    While you are correct in stating that any software altering the game's memory addresses is prohibited, it does NOT say whether Blizzard is enforcing said rule, or how they are enforcing it.

    Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. The only real thing to actually settle this is an official response.

    [Edited by PeTTs0n, 7/29/2010 7:40:38 AM]

    All evidence points towards banning 3rd party software, I would know since I have been playing Diablo 2 for years now. The only reason you haven't heard about Blizzard banning over trainers in previous games is because they had no way of being able to detect whether users were using a trainer or not, but now they do.

    This is the first time they have forced the battle.net service upon their singleplayer campaign, Warden does not differentiate between unauthorized software used for singleplayer over multiplayer.

    To even think Blizzard would support cheating on battle.net to achieve something as relatively irrelevant as achievements is unthinkable for me as a long term Blizzard player. Playing any of their previous games will tell you that they go Judge Dredd on their bnet service.

    [Edited by yoops, 7/29/2010 2:37:34 PM]

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