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Let me say that I haven no reason to support Republicans/Democrats as I'm not even in the USA. The damage was already done by Bush. You can't expect to start 2 wars (on a false cause even) and simply pull out because you got a new President (which would decrease costs considerably). The recession was there when Bush was in office, maybe even before him. You can't blame everything that is wrong with your country on the current President, those things take time to fix.

I liked this approach and it surprised me, we're used to seeing a big number of civilians getting killed but not this time.

I wouldn't believe everything they say on tv...

Well I haven't seen the other posts here, but I have an opinion that may offend a few, but I will keep it clean.

IMO, Bin Laden has done all he could in his life. Al-Qaeda is not only a terrorist group, he has formed an ideology which has gained so much followers. And this already has been done. So killing Osama will not be in much gain for the USA, it will only be an achievement. Terrorism will never get wiped out from the face of Earth and there will always be replacements waiting to take on Osama's seat.

I don't know about USA's politics, but I do find it ridiculous that Obama waited months to kill Osama, as his location was well known months ago. And its obvious that his government did so to give him a boost in the re-election.

And its eventually going to be tough time for Pakistan. I wouldn't comment any further on it.

[Edited by HonestGamer, 5/3/2011 8:51:12 AM]

They would say that identity tests were taken even if it was fake or true..

The thing is Bin Ladin has been hiding for too long so if it was fake Obama can't get caught easily because I don't think Bin Ladin will come out and go like "Hey! i'm still alive!". So this type of stuff [the faking his death] would only work with people like Bin ladin obviously because it can't work on people we see on everyday t.v.

News have reported binladin's death more than once before, I know this one seems the most realistic but for ME personally I need to see a proof.

Btw, for the topic; Did any of you guys think of the possibility that maybe binladin died before a short period of time (1 month/2months) ago out of illness and America found out about that recently and got his body and claimed that they killed him? I remember there were news 1 or 2 years ago that he was sick..

One thing I learned about this life, it's a crazy ride, anything's possible.



[Edited by Night-Ghost, 5/3/2011 11:08:00 AM]

OBL was more than just one man. by evading one of the most technologically advanced nation on earth for more than 10 years he was becoming a symbol of defiance to fanatics across the globe. by killing OBL..it wasn't just about vengence..it was about destroying that symbol too and by not parading the body or giving OBL a burial..it was again a way of not creating a rallying point for fanatics or making a martyr out of him. a standard practice by many civilizations over the course of human history. the US govt. is not obligated to prove to any individual whether the whole thing is fake or real. it did what needed to be done. period.

doesn't mean its the end of terrorism. but its a start. there will always be disgruntled individuals with a mission or a vendetta. its human nature.

Sure he would. If he were alive, he would put out some release to the major news media station over there (Al-Jazeera? <_<) like he has done so many times in the past. Your logic is spurious; just because you see someone on television does not necessarily mean that person becomes easy to find.

[Edited by Latiosmaster47, 5/3/2011 11:56:20 AM]

posted originally by toreador:

Let me say that I haven no reason to support Republicans/Democrats as I'm not even in the USA. The damage was already done by Bush. You can't expect to start 2 wars (on a false cause even) and simply pull out because you got a new President (which would decrease costs considerably). The recession was there when Bush was in office, maybe even before him. You can't blame everything that is wrong with your country on the current President, those things take time to fix.


my reponse:

obama has been in office for 2.5 years. at what point does he and this administration get 'credit' for the bad state of affairs. how long can you blame bush for your bad policies? obama and the liberals have made policies and decisions that have increased the DEBT in this nation by 4 times. does this sound smart in a 'recession'?

the housing market crash was due to forcing lenders to make loans to people that would not normally have qualified for them (affordable housing act), which was a liberal policy, not conservative. this steamrolled into the government covering these loans and buying them up and ultimately people 'betting' on them failing, etc. no conservative republican was pushing for such legislation years ago and certainly they did not push for 'bailouts' like the mostly democratic congress did. bush was no true 'conservative' but surely the housing market cannot be blamed on him. do a google search on barney frank, affordable housing, and etc.

the 'wars' you describe are only a small part of the total budget expendatures. by the way, our US constitution states implicitly that wars/defense are a JOB of the federal government. if the federal government simply did what it is supposed to do, then theres plenty of money for defense. most of the budget, and the deficits and debt the US has, is due to entitlements (medicare, social security, medicaid, now they are trying to add healthcare, social entitlements to illegals, etc.) all of this stuff is social engineering, socialist, and none of it is truly defined in the consititution. in otherwords, the federal government is taxing for and doing things with taxpayer money that it isn't supposed to have the power to be doing. this is why they are trying to raise the debt ceiling YET AGAIN under obama. wars aren't draining the budget, huge entitlements are.

several states are trying to close thier borders to illegal immigrants who are coming into these states and draining the resources and economies of these states. billions and billions of dollars in state funds. what did obama do? sue states claiming that they don't have the right to protect their borders, and only the federal government has this right, which liberals do NOT want to do anything about illegals coming into this country.

energy prices souring now. gasoline up to 5 bucks a gallon in some places. oil prices soaring. food prices soaring. is this all bush's fault? bush didn't close oil rigs in the gulf and oceans.. obama has. obama has only given 1 out of 15 permits requested in the last 2 years to drill. they refuse to allow pipelines from canada to US and from certain US cities to others due to 'environmental' reasons. obama said himself that he wants energy prices to rise so that they can set the tone for the policies they want to put forth. they want to force automobile makers to create more electric and green cars, then they turn around and tax these people because they aren't using gasoline. this is obama and liberal policies, not bush.

finally joblessness is at one of the lowest points in US history. in fact, this adminsitration in 2.5 years has broken many records in regards to unemployment and forclosures. what has this administration done to fix this? they've had 2.5 years? their solution is to 'try and raise the minimum wage', try to increase taxes on the so called rich (i.e. businesses that hire people), increase unemployment benefits to 99 weeks (i.e. you can get a check for not working for 99 weeks, AND they want to lengthen this), pass healthcare laws that force business to insure workers (force a business to pay a benefit), increase the number of federal workers (i.e. more people getting paid FROM taxes and LESS people working TO pay taxes), on and on... they are doing exactly the opposite of what would spurn an economic turnaround. this is like rooselvelt 80 years ago, increasing the size of government and trying to 'spend' their way out of recession.

at some point, people have to point blame at the person who is in office. do we wait until obama is not president before we claim his policies and the policies of this administration are harmful? 2.5 years is a long time. Reagan unleashed the economy when he took over after Carter, who was one of the worst presidents in American history. you can BANK that Reagan took over a bad economy and turned it around. Obama took a bad situation and is milking it for all it's worth and prolonging and worsening it, trying to push for non-constitutional legislation using 'tragedy' to do so (his words, not mine).

regarding the two wars being a false cause, if you are a fan of afghanistan and the taliban/al'queda or a fan of Sadam Hussein and his murderous regime (hussein killed more muslims by far than any western countries combined. he was also tried and executed by his own country) and you don't think USA had a right to attack afghanistan or that the UN was wrong in allowing US to lead a coalition to IRAQ then that is your choice. Just remember that Bush had majority of liberals in congress when he was president, that he got UN and congressional approval to attack Iraq, and that USA was attacked by OBL via taliban who ran free in Afghanistan.

I could go on, but i hijacked this thread enough.

best,
Cal

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